I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Highly charged case. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. Andrew Katrinak reported missing his wife, Joanne and 3.5-month-old son, Alex, in December 1994. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Pal stays true. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. It was just assumed to be crib death. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. . However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Jealousy was the motive. It seems so, according to you. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. You are absolutely right. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? A spokesperson for Mr Tate told Mail Online that the 36-year-old was taken to a Romanian clinic because he was not allowed to be monitored by his chosen medical team in Dubai. Your details from Facebook will be used to provide you with tailored content, marketing and ads in line with our Privacy Policy. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Rorrer, formerly of the Phillipsburgand High Bridge areas, was living in Linwood, North Carolina, when she was arrested in 1997. Andrew Katrinak said he found his basement door ajar and removed from its hinges, and a phone line had been cut. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. Everyone lies. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Hoist by my own petard! I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Patricia is a evil monster. False. The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. By continuing to use our site, you consent to the placement of cookies on your browser and agree to the terms of our Privacy Policy. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. 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He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. One on one? He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. And Patricia wasnt all edges. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Thats all for this post. No charmed life. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. He retired as a general foreman at Bethlehem Steel in 1981 after 30 years of employment. This weekDuke of York said he does not want to leave his mansion in the grounds of Windsor Castle despite telling friends he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. Its never been made clear. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. You should be ashamed of yourself. Kidnapped and killed? This is all BS.She did it. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. Resides in Bethlehem, PA. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. ", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. ``People who work with horses, they love 'em, rub 'em, pet 'em, and at the same time they can be firm with 'em, jerk their bits if they need to,' Hege said. Andrew J Katrinak, 68. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. A Patent Pending People Search Process. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Username. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. M.L. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. You know whats interesting? How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? Prince Andrew has offered to manage some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion, Royal insiders have claimed that the King said 'there is no chance' of Andrew being allowed to manage the Royal estates, The Duke of York had offered to take over the management of Balmoral Castle - his late mother's beloved summer residence. Some people are just monsters. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Play it now! Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Pennsylvania troopers will take her to Bethlehem, Pa., today. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. I cant lose them, he told the media. Phone records dont lie.) He helped her take horses to day care centers, where she would take photographs of children with the horses. The additions come as KFC recently removed some menu items, including wings, popcorn chicken and cookies, to make room for new additions. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Conflicting versions. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. ``The lady had a lot of contacts around the country from her horse trading business, and she very well could have disappeared.'. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Arkansas (1) Colorado (4) Connecticut (1) Pennsylvania (2) Virginia (2) Refine Your Search Results. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. The state police dropped him as a suspect. Hege said Rorrer's baby is with her mother, Patricia Chambers of Lexington. Do you want to automatically post your MailOnline comments to your Facebook Timeline? After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. His doctors have requested that he returns to Dubai for further testing. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. Stable situation. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. The two kept in touch by telephone, and in 1991, Rorrer briefly sought refuge at Katrinak's home in Catasauqua after being assaulted by another boyfriend. Stop. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found.